Sony Venice 2 needs continued development

[Christopher]

1 Catalyst software doesn't support Venice 2 X-OCN. 

When will Sony software be supporting their most expensive camera?  There is no way to stabilize clips using gyro data from the Venice 2 extension system.

 

2 Proxy recording is needed.

Every current Sony camera....except the $70k+ Venice 2 supports proxy recording. With 8.6k recording...proxies are pretty important.

 

3 Reduced resolution / Oversampled recording. 

Your Sony a1 with the same sensors capable of downsampling. It can output 16-bit 4.3k raw full frame mode. It also supports oversampled FF 8k and s35 4k. An oversampled 4.3k FF mode would be incredibly useful for when one needs to use the full image sensor but needs lower data rates / resolution to fit on those small, overpriced AxS cards. 4.3k FF X-OCN options would allow for the camera go out on more jobs. There should also be a reduced resolution 120 FPS option in full frame mode (your a1 camera with the same sensor can do it at a fraction of the weight, power and money).  An open-gate 4.3k ProRes mode would also be of great use.

 

4 Support X-OCN. 

Sony please support your format in NLEs with full metadata parameter control in Premiere, FCP and Avid. Please release a first party plug-in for these NLEs. If a small company like red can do it...you can too.

[videosoul]

I agree with 1 (and 4). It’s madness if Catalyst still doesn’t support their flagship camera. The disconnect between Sony Japan and Sony Creative Software is bizarre. It’s been this way for years. Sony have made great steps in bringing better unity to their cameras with the Cinema Line concept, but unity with their software is a long way off.

 

Catalyst, RAW Viewer, Imaging Edge, Content Browser Mobile, Creator’s App, Creator’s Cloud, Ci, C3 Portal, Media Backbone Navigator/Hive…

…it’s a confusing mess with inconsistent design styles, inconsistent compatibility, and weird overlaps.

[DougJensen]

On 8/18/2023 at 7:55 AM, Christopher said:

1 Catalyst software doesn't support Venice 2 X-OCN. 

When will Sony software be supporting their most expensive camera?  There is no way to stabilize clips using gyro data from the Venice 2 extension system.

Are you talking about all flavors of X-OCN or just X-OCN-XT?

Although I have never shot with a Venice, I have been shooting 4K RAW, X-OCN-ST, and X-OCN-LT with my F55+R7 recorder for about seven or eight years.  I have never had any trouble viewing and editing X-OCN in Catalyst Browse or Catalyst Prepare.

I have no experience with X-OCN-XT, so I can't say whether it is compatible with Cataylst or not.  However, if "XT" is the specific flavor or X-OCN you are referring to, I think you should say so, rather than painting all X-OCN codecs with the same brush.

[videosoul]

@DougJensen I think Christopher is specifically referring to X-OCN files from the VENICE 2, not the VENICE 1.

Same issue touched on here: https://www.liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/venice-footage-incompatible-with-any-nle.17667/ (though that's from January, so may have changed).

[Christopher]

On 10/8/2023 at 11:10 AM, DougJensen said:

Are you talking about all flavors of X-OCN or just X-OCN-XT?

Although I have never shot with a Venice, I have been shooting 4K RAW, X-OCN-ST, and X-OCN-LT with my F55+R7 recorder for about seven or eight years.  I have never had any trouble viewing and editing X-OCN in Catalyst Browse or Catalyst Prepare.

I have no experience with X-OCN-XT, so I can't say whether it is compatible with Cataylst or not.  However, if "XT" is the specific flavor or X-OCN you are referring to, I think you should say so, rather than painting all X-OCN codecs with the same brush.

Sony VENICE 2 X-OCN files are not supported in Catalyst (it doesn't matter if it is LT, ST or XT).  Catalyst Browse will play the audio from these files only.  The only viable alternative is Sony Raw viewer.  This software will play the files...but without audio.  So that makes reviewing selects for transcoding fun.  Since the Venice 2 doesn't generate proxies (unlike every other Sony camera of the last 5 years - including the Burano with the same sensor), software to review & transcode becomes fairly necessary.  Aside from the audio issue, Raw viewer has poor performance for Mac users - it's clearly not Apple Silicon native.  Transcoding is slow.  Gyro stabilization not possible.  

 

 

[videosoul]

From Sony Creative Software support when asked about VENICE 2 X-OCN 8K in Catalyst:
 

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Our team are working on the new features and will be releasing in next coming version.

Nice and vague! 🙄

[Christopher]

On 10/8/2023 at 11:10 AM, DougJensen said:

Are you talking about all flavors of X-OCN or just X-OCN-XT?

Although I have never shot with a Venice, I have been shooting 4K RAW, X-OCN-ST, and X-OCN-LT with my F55+R7 recorder for about seven or eight years.  I have never had any trouble viewing and editing X-OCN in Catalyst Browse or Catalyst Prepare.

I have no experience with X-OCN-XT, so I can't say whether it is compatible with Cataylst or not.  However, if "XT" is the specific flavor or X-OCN you are referring to, I think you should say so, rather than painting all X-OCN codecs with the same brush.

Catalyst Browse does not support any flavor of X-OCN recorded by the Venice 2.  It will play sound but no picture.  Just for fun, Sony raw viewer supports Venice 2 X-OCN video...but no sound.

[videosoul]

Well well well... Catalyst Browse/Prepare 2024 versions have just been released with Apple Silicon support.

BUT THEY STILL CAN'T PLAY VENICE 2 X-OCN 8K files!

Madness.

[Christopher]

3 hours ago, videosoul said:

Well well well... Catalyst Browse/Prepare 2024 versions have just been released with Apple Silicon support.

BUT THEY STILL CAN'T PLAY VENICE 2 X-OCN 8K files!

Madness.

Just tested the new version...can confirm - no bueno (or non buono since Sony prefers Italian).